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Don't forget that you may sign up for the Constitutional Amendment debate tomorrow during both lunches. You may not sign someone else up. Once a group is full, it's full.
Get ready for a fast-paced four days about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Speaking of the Bill of Rights, do you think this student should have been disciplined by his school?
posted by Mr. Carlisle at 2:43 PM
16 Comments:
Its just some kid using his free speech. I'm curious to see if this same thing would have happened if he was wearing a pro-obama shirt.
3:03 PM
The school shouldn't have suspended him. The boy could have chosen other words to use than 'terrorist' but it shouldn't have been that big of a deal. The boy wasn't forcing his opinions on others, he was just expressing his, which isn't wrong.
5:17 PM
I think it's very brave of him to stand up for what he believes in. I don't think the school was right. I'm sure it surprised some students and teachers but as long as he wasn't causing trouble and forcing his opinions on others, he shouldn't have got suspended. It seems like every time someone is outside of the "norm", all hell breaks loose.
7:15 PM
The school claims that he was suspended for "willful disobedience", but I would say it was more like "civil disobedience". If the boy had complied and removed the shirt, then he would be giving up his right to free speech. It doesn't matter if you agree with the content of his shirt, that is his right. While the school is attacking this boy for expressing his opinion, schools are ignoring clothing that is sexually degrading. These articles of clothing are ACTUALLY against school policy, unlike this shirt, which expresses a students point of view in a non-degrading manner.
7:17 PM
Here's a question for you guys:
Do you think the student's shirt was"disruptive to the educational process"? That's the standard the U.S. Supreme Court recognizes in these type of cases. The Court has ruled that educators can limit your speech if what you're expressing is disruptive.
7:33 PM
The school was justified to ask him to change his shirt or to take it off. When he didn't do that, he willfully disobeyed the rules. That's where the "willful disobedience" comes from. His shirt could potentially cause a huge disruption because of the extremeness and the insanity of the shirt.
7:44 PM
Austin,
Do you think the student should have been able to keep his shirt on if the message was simply, "Obama is the worst president ever!" instead the original message?
7:54 PM
Mr. Carlisle- Let me ask you a question. Do you not try to encourage students to form their own opinions and express them in order to create conversation in the class? Is that not the point of this article, and the point of the debates in general? This shirt is no more disruptive of the learning process than the animosity that can be created by such discussions. He was asked to express patriotism. He believes that getting rid of Obama is what is best for his country, so is that not his form of patriotism?
8:00 PM
Austin- "Extremeness and insanity"? The shirt did not say that Obama is a terrorist, but a "best friend of terrorists". There are many who would argue his point.
8:04 PM
If you view this from the fact that he disobeyed the school authorities, then it would seem the appropriate thing to suspend the student. The school made it clear that they did not suspend him for wearing the shirt, but for disobeying his authorities.He also knew the consequence, but he did it anyway. The shirt was disruptive to the education, because it caused this huge debate, and it also stated in the video that other students were offended by the word terrorist on his shirt.
8:06 PM
Tabitha,
I certainly do, however, my opinion is irrelevant in this instance. Students do not have unlimited freedom to express themselves in school according to the U.S. Supreme Court. We'll discuss this more tomorrow.
8:07 PM
Mr. Carlisle-
Yes, I do believe he should have been able to keep his shirt on if it said "Obama is the worst president ever!"
However, the student instead compared Obama to groups like Al-Qaeda, FARC, Laskar-e-Taiba, and other terrorist groups that cause a lot of problems. Saying that Obama is the worst president ever is an opinion that could be debated, while saying that Obama is a terrorists best friend is just ignorant libel and slander.
8:09 PM
I believe the shirt was "disruptive to the educational process" in the sense that it was not what teachers and other students would expect to see when they are asked to dress patriotically. It caught everybody off guard. I don't believe he should have been suspended for his shirt alone, however, if he was truly disobeying authority, then I do believe that him being suspended was the right choice. He knew the consequence and made the decision to take a suspension.
8:14 PM
I just think that people nowadays are too easily offended by things I consider miniscule and irrelevant if you just ignore it. Obviously there are moments where freedom of speech does get abused/used and can cause anger and discomfort for people, but they need to learn that it is that person's (s) right to say what they want and that they themselves have that right as well.
11:02 PM
I believe he was disruptive to the education process. He does have the right to freedom of speech but that was too distracting for learning. I think he should have been suspended not necessarily because of the shirt, but more because he disobeyed the school's rules by ignoring authority.
6:28 AM
I think that he could have worn that shirt outside of the school and still made his point. He and his parents most likely knew it would cause a reaction from teachers and students. I don't think that he should have been punished a much as he was, but for disrespecting others he should have received a consequence.
7:57 AM
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