This is just wrong
posted by Mr. Carlisle at 11:20 AM
Tuesday, December 04, 2012
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17 Comments:
I don't understand. The guy who took the picture said he was trying to set the flash off so the subway would stop. Why wouldn't you just run and pull the guy up.
3:48 PM
I am heartbroken and ashamed that this happened. Honestly, why wouldn't someone pull the man out of the way? How is getting your picture more important? Surely it wouldn't be too hard to get the man out of the train's way...Certainly, you'd potentially be putting your life on the line but it's just cowardly to back out in effort to preemptively save your own skin.
4:02 PM
He could have gone and at least attempted to help the guy, but he chose not to, and decided to take pictures. The photographer is selfish, and it seems that at the time he was only thinking of what could be his "big break". His actions cost the man his life. I think there should be a punishment, like going to jail; the photographer needs to learn a serious lesson.
4:12 PM
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5:21 PM
Although I do think that the photographer could have done something more than what he actually did, but think about it.
I heard this story this morning on the news and one reporter brought up the great point of "What would you have done?" I’m sure many would have said "I would have helped him", but you have to take into account the stress and quickness that all of this happened. That poor photographer took pictures and probably didn’t think of going to help that man! I realize that flashing the train to stop was not very effective, but I think it is ignorant to say that the man was only thinking of himself... Not a smash on you Jo! I’m just saying that I’m sure in the heat of the moment many of us would have just stood there in awe of what was unfolding in front of us. It isn’t fair to only blame the one person who had a camera, because there were plenty of others with cameras on that day. It is much easier to think of what you should have done when it is in hindsight, not in the moment. We all have things that we regret not getting involved in, and this photographer’s regret just happened to be a life-taking incident. People need to actually think about how this person got into this situation... we don’t know how the fight was started and we don’t know the whole story, so maybe the main pushed in front of the train wasn’t as innocent as we think he was. I AM IN NOW WAY SAYING THAT HE DESERVED IT, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT EVERY DETAIL, NOT JUST WHAT ONE PHOTOGRAPHER CAUGHT ON THIS TRAGIC MORNING.
5:22 PM
I think that the photographer should have tried to rescue the man instead of taking pictures. However the article says there were other people rushing towards the man to try and save him and in the picture the train is extremely close to the man and most likely moving very fast. I do not agree with the photographers decision to take the picture instead of trying to save the mans life but I also think he should not be viewed so harshly. People should think about what else was going on in the heat of the moment.
6:00 PM
From the article and picture, it seems pretty clear that the photographer was STUPID and totally selfish. He could have saved that man's LIFE, but instead he took a picture. Kind of shows you where the photographer's priorities are at...I hope he gets tried and punished somehow.
6:18 PM
Mr. Carlisle can we please please debate this in class?
8:35 PM
Could he have not jumped up from the tracks?
8:36 PM
If you had enough time to try and blind the train driver with the flash of the camera how could you have not at least try and save the man on the tracks? And he should have tried to help the man get out instead of blinding the driver because there is a good chance that even if the flash had blinded the driver he probably wouldn't have been able to stop the subway in time to prevent killing the innocent man. And the photographer said that there were many people rushing to save the man on the tracks but from the picture it looks as if there isn't anyone within ten or so feet to help?
9:11 PM
Ummm... why is no one talking/discussing the man who actually pushed the other guy onto the tracks!? There's also a huge amount of people who take the subway in New York- they could have helped too! I think you just need to look at it like how E.J. said- what would you do in that situation? The train was moving fast and there probably wasn't a lot of reaction time to try and help the man. I can't believe that stuff like this goes on everyday, I hope they convict the man who pushed him.
9:28 PM
I think the photographer really thought in that moment that his camera flash would have helped, I don't think he just saw the poor man on the tracks and thought to himself, " Gee, this looks like a great photo opportunity! I'll take this mans picture and become totally famous!" While what he did was stupid in the sense that it wasn't really an effective method, I think he was legitimately trying to warn the operator. I don't think warning the operator would have been effective at all though, even if he had done it another way. It's not like those subways can stop on a dime...
It would have been a lot smarter to try and help the man, but in times when we have to make quick decisions we don't always pick the right one.
Also, I think the focus should be more on the man that pushed the guy onto the tracks! He kinda just murdered someone. And there were other people there, not just the photographer....he's not the only one to blame here is what I'm trying to get at.
10:12 PM
Before I read the story, I saw the picture and thought it was a joke and the man was photo shopped in it. Then I read the story... and wow! People are so inconsiderate and it cost this man his life. I hope the photographer gets fired. This is disgusting.
10:17 PM
Thank you! Exactly!
10:19 PM
this is seriously messed up. i don't know much about conducting trains but does flashing lights mean stop or something. why was his instinct to pull out his camera instead of run over and try to help the guy and pull him up.
10:38 PM
We'll be debating this in my Psych class next semester in the unit on Social Psych when we will address why people either help or choose not to help other people.
11:00 PM
This is definitely too clear of a picture to be just a warning. I am sure this photographer could have saved the guy if he actually tried. It is just a tad bit ironic that he got a good shot of the guy while trying to "alert the train driver".
11:25 PM
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