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posted by Mr. Carlisle at 8:53 AM
Saturday, February 07, 2009
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- Name: Mr. Carlisle
- Location: Portland, Oregon, United States
I'm a native South Carolinian and I attained my undergraduate and graduate degrees from the University of South Carolina. I taught fourth grade for two years in the Mississippi Delta and two years at an alternative high school in Western North Carolina. I have been at Tigard High School since the fall of 2003, where I teach U.S. History and Psychology.
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19 Comments:
She's going for her masters in counseling?? She sounds like she needs counseling. It kinda seems like she is trying to fill in some whole in her life by having lots of babies. Kinda like the rats study with the baby button that Caro mentioned in the other article. How can you bring fourteen kids into the world without having a stable marriage and without receiving welfare. One woman can't spread herself thin enough to provide for that many kids. And eight at one time! why can't she just wait and at least have a year or two between births? It seems like that would make things a little easier on her and the kids. Seriously, having one kid as a single parent with no income and paying for school is hard enough. And repeatedly having kids with a guy she just calls her friend. What is that about! She is out of her mind.
11:39 AM
She's "not selfish"? Alright, lady, take a step back and look at what you've gotten yourself into. You are now responsible for providing for 14 children--feeding, nurturing, providing medical care, putting them through school, etc. This move was completely selfish! I think it is terrible that she went through such a traumatic childhood, so she says, but still. If it is going to take 14 children to make up for that void in her life that she experienced growing up, then she really needs some psychiatric help. Who knows how many more children she will try to have after these 14! There is no excuse for taking the risk. That's another thing--she continued to say "I took the risk--and look what happened!" She was willing to kill herself and/or her babies so that she could go through with this. I'd call that selfish. And I'm not saying that a regular mother who takes the risk in having a baby is selfish, but the risks are so much greater with implanted embryo pregnancies! Gahh this woman is ridiculous!
11:58 AM
I think she's a little unhinged and has serious esteem issues. 14 kids?!?!?
3:23 PM
I like how she thinks she can go back to school and put 14 kids in day care. What is she going to do, wheel in 14 strollers to the day care?
I also somehow just can't see her studying for finals with 8 crying babies.
Finally, it annoys me that she thinks she is justified in doing this. I personally think she should be put in prison, just for being an idiot.
6:40 PM
I should probably clarify I don't actually think she should be put in jail but she should face some consequences for doing something like this.
10:28 PM
Wow, it's just like Apu's wife in The Simpsons.
10:54 PM
Although I agree with all of you, that this was selfish and should have been more thought out and planned, I feel the need to add a few things.
However, before I start, I should mention that I have a very similar situation as far as an amount of people, income, and even can go as far as saying that it is hard being the oldest, and having to become a second mom and be a big sister to help my family, and there is a lack of attention, for all of us kids because the attention has to be divided so thin. So with all that said, I know that much if not MOST of everyone's negitive perspective on this topic is not only fair but mostly accurate but I have a flip side to this.... so here it goes.
First of, what is done is done, so all this negative attention that she is getting, will not only not slove her problem, but it could hurt her fragile state. The last thing all these bitter, angrey and opinionated people need is to see her fail and the children be injured from her failure, which can happen if her self esteem gets knocked down, putting her into another state of deppression.
Second; This would not have happened at all if the Doctor (notcie how no one in America knows who he/she is?) would have taken know for an answer and kept to a moral standard and limit. Being a doctor you need a minimum of 8 years of school and being a specialized doctor in artificial insemination you need much more, so you can't argue that he didn't know this could happen, and in fact she even said that her doctor warned her, so if he would have said, no I will not put all 6 embros into you, and I don't care how pissed you get, this wouldn't have happened in the first place. He/she needs to come out of the dark because then the mother will not be so much at fault and be constantly attacked in such a harsh way. Furthermore, like I said above if Americans are so scared that these kids are going to be harmed, they including I should do our part to either stay out of her business or build her up so her self esteem isn't damaged even more then it probably already is.
I'm sure I will come back for my to say, but for all this is now.
(Again I would like to re-state that I am not on her side and I don't agree with this situation and I am worried for the children, however, I think the Doctor is the one that should be attacked, not her. America has said enough to cause her to commit suicide, how much more should we do?)
11:00 PM
Oops, I ment "no" not Know.
11:06 PM
Great comment Haylee. No one has brought up the culpability of the doctor in this messy situation.
7:50 AM
I believe that Nadya Suleman has major issues that she needs to address with a psychiatrist and needs to get help somehow, someway. Having 14 kids will not fill the emptiness inside of her. I think her having six kids was already crazy, but her currently having 14 is now idiotic and I’m dumbfounded over this.
She lives with her parents and does not want to go on welfare. She can not provide the emotional or financial support that these kids rightfully deserve and need. There will never be stability for these kids and it breaks my heart that these kids will have to live in this environment. It’s extremely irresponsible of her to rely soly on family, friends, her church and the tax payers of California to support these kids. To make matters worse, she wants to return to school in the fall. She is out of her freakin’ mind! Where is she going to get the money to go back to school when there is already no money to support her 14 kids?!?!
For example, there is Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt who have 6 kids, I believe, but the difference is, they HAVE the money to support their kids and CAN give them the love they need. With 14 kids, there is NO WAY she can give them the love and care that they need. Being a single parent, she will never be able to spend quality time with each kid alone. A single mom who has no real source of income with 14 kids is what I would call an insane person who’s in WAY OVER her head.
She says that what prompted her having kids was the longing for connections and attachments with another person. Does she truly think being in a ludicrous amount of debt with 14 kids under the age of 7 is going to fill this hole of hers?!
Another thing that is wrong with this is that she experienced mood swings, became depressed and just wanted to die during her pregnancy and after the birth of her FIRST CHILD!! The depression wasn’t even related to her back injury; it came from the fear that her pregnancy might end. The emotional roller coaster continued after the baby was born too. She was terrified that the baby would be kidnapped or injured. Does this sound like a stable person to you? No, this doesn’t.
This is a train wreck, for both mother and all 14 children. I think that the mother needs help and her children deserve better than she will ever be able to provide.
2:30 PM
I think I have one last thing to say after a good nights rest on the subject....is anyone aware that maybe not everything that is being said about her is actually true? Although it has been established that she did have depression...how do we know that it was actually from fear of her pregnancy ending, or a back injury. There are so many things being said that make this situation out to be worse than it already is. Seriously. I live with 10 other kids, and I know tons of families that are HUGE with a single parent and little income. While I agree that it's not easy and not always fair to the children, this is not the first time this case has happened...
3:25 PM
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3:37 PM
Inane, misspelled anonymous comments are not allowed on the blog.
3:41 PM
Nicole,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the blog. I really hope you let your voice be heard in class this semester. I for one am looking forward to hearing your opinions on the different topics we are going to touch on.
3:57 PM
First off, i think it was very irresponsible of her to have the 14 kids, even six as a single mom. But its already happened. I was somewhat happy to hear that she is not looking for welfare out if this. I do think it is good to hear that she is planning to go back to school so she can support her choices by herself.
I am willing to bet there are other single parents out there with close to the same amount of children, she just got so much recognition because of the octuplets. Has the fertility doctors name been released yet?
7:44 PM
I personally love the comment where she says she didn't want her children to feel isolated in a dysfunctional family. Well, the family will still be dysfunctional, but the kids definitely won't feel isolated. They have 13 siblings along with them!
6:37 AM
After hearing her speak and getting more information from the video, I must say that she is off of her rocker and has serious family issues. Having fourteen kids while being unemployed, and 'wanting kids because she was an only child in a dysfunctional family', I'm at a loss for her logic.
3:23 PM
I really don't know how I feel about this woman. Another thing that I learned about this that I thought was interesting is that one (or more, I know at least one is) of her six kids from the previous pregnancy is autistic, which must be very difficult. I really want to know how she is managing 14 kids and school.
11:28 PM
after watching the video it seems she's playing some sort of role, a martyr/saint type of role. as if what she's doing is justifying her past and should be praised for it, but at the same time, should be felt sorry for about her 'disfunctional family' (by the way, who doesn't have a disfunctional family? if you're family WAS/IS functional, that'd be completly unrealistic and boring)anyhow, her logic is completly muddled and that big void in past isn't going to be fixed by oozing out however many kids in the present.
also, the speculation and down putting of her current situation doesn't really matter, it's already happened. it's her life, they are her children, and without meaning to sound too cynical or anything, as charles darwin said, 'survival of the fittest'.
if she can't make her life work, than let it fail.
that's all i need to say.
4:17 PM
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